Thursday 12 April 2012

Eve, Mary Magdalene and the Virgin Mary - Medieval Women and Gender Roles

Week 7: Relics and Devotional Life / Medieval Men and Women - Tutorial Discussion Post
By: Tori, Hannah and Mimi


Tori's thoughts

Life for women in the Middle Ages, as shown by the readings for this week, especially the section by Christiane Klapish-Zuber, was not all princesses and wealth. For some women in the Middle Ages it's true they were lucky enough to be born into wealthy families of privilege, but even then a woman would often be used as a tool to buy peace through marriage, her own wishes often ignored.
The majority of women in this time were peasants. Spending their lives toiling in the fields and tending to the household chores and raising children. 
Real life for women in the Middle Ages was very different from the images we are often fed through Hollywood’s glamorous interpretations. Women had to be hard working and strong. They were the central figure for family life but were subjected to the least amounts of human rights.
The definition of a woman revolved around the men she was associated with. For example, if a woman was married to a brewer she would be considered the brewer's wife no matter what personal traits or skills of her own she possessed. 
The picture that Christine Klapish-Zuber paints of the medieval woman is, in her own words, gloomy. But, it is a realistic representation giving a thorough description of the life of medieval women. 


Hannah's thoughts

It’s really interesting how the two texts differed in their presentation of women in Medieval Europe.  I won’t discuss the second text because I don’t want to overlap the other two girls' posts.

There seems to be two different opinions of women in Medieval Europe, one where women are seen as sinners, due to Eve, and the contrasting view that women bought people closer to God, by Mary giving birth to Jesus.
Women were characterised by their sexuality either as a virgin, widow or married. Virginity was regarded as the highest and most righteous status; however, women were also expected to bear children. With Mary being both a virgin and the bearer of Jesus she set an unattainable goal of maintaining her virtue as a virgin and fulfilling her expectations of society and the Bible by being a mother. By giving birth to God, Mary bought people closer to Him, and raised the opinion held of women.
 Women still seemed to be quite oppressed, maybe not as badly as in Ancient Rome, however, definitely viewed as less virtuous than men despite Mary providing a stronger link between God and people.
Mary Magdalene is presented as a devout Christian and a realistic goal for women to strive towards. She was sinful and transformed into the ideal Christian, spreading the name of Christ and performing miracles with the help of God.
Eve of course is viewed negatively due to her committing the first sin which shattered the perfect world that was the Garden of Eden. Eve is the main reason women were viewed as more likely to sin then men.
Scholastica is presented as a woman with a very close link to God. It seems implied that she knew she was going to die soon and wished to spend more time with her brother, using her close bond with God she is said to have caused a storm which prevented his leaving. Then, when she died, she visited her brother whilst being carried by angels. This reinforces the wonder of God and how those who formed a close bond with him would be blessed by the Heavens.
Some women seem to be quite awe inspiring in Medieval Europe and treated as equals to men, such as Joan of Arc, who managed to gather respect from many. For a woman in Medieval Europe Joan of Arc accomplished amazing feats, that’s inarguable, but was it through ingenuity, the grace of God, luck or something entirely different that allowed her to accomplish so much?
How realistic a goal do you think Mary Magdalene set for Medieval European Women? 


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4 comments:

  1. Hi guys,
    Great job on the post :) I think you guys chose one of the most interesting topics for the tutorial discussions. I genuinely enjoyed these readings as I find the various representations and roles of men and women during the Medieval and Renaissance periods fascinating.
    My favourite bit of the readings came from Augustine of Hippo, On the Good of Marriage, where it says that marriage serves the sole purpose of creating children and if a woman was found to be less in control of her desires she should be married off so that it's suddenly acceptable.
    In terms of how realistic the goals are for women set by Mary Magdalene and the Virgin Mary, I think you would have to be an incredibly strong willed and careful woman to achieve such status in life. There were so many reasons a person could be punished in those days that taking a slight step in the wrong direction could mean death for a woman.
    Anyway, those are just my thoughts on the subject.
    Caitlin

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  2. I found it interesting that christians look up to both the virgin Mary and Mary of Magdalene as they have totally different backgrounds. I suppose Mary of Magdalene's transformation from a sinner to an evangelical figure gives average women hope of being forgiven for their sins and leading a holy life. Although the virgin Mary is apparently faultless, it would be impossible for christian women to aspire to chastity and child bearing. The Christine Klapisch-Zuber reading contained a lot of useful statistics on marriage, births and mortality, which gave a great insight into the hardships faced by medieval women who were essentially used as a means of creating more men.

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  3. Hi everybody! Really enjoyed your blog post it was really good, pretty informative too! The readings this week were fairly enjoyable- I generally find most reading about gender roles within different forms of society and through different times interesting, I feel like it is a great way to get an understanding of the evolution of the society of the time, as well as influences such as Mary Magdalene and the Virgin Mary. The way women are treated throughout history is always interesting, but personally I see the reaction of women as a whole to the way they are treated as the most interesting piece of gender roles in history. Good luck with your essay and presentation guys!

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  4. I found the reading a little dry but at the same time your analysis of the reading really interesting so I'm a little torn about how I feel in regard to this topic.
    As for the whole question about who is more rateable, the virgin Mary or Mary Magdalene, I guess the answer would depend on the way you looked at it. From a current point of view the medieval women would probably have been highly virtuous women, obedient, and incredibly devout. So from a modern point of view these women were closer to the virgin Mary. However from their own point of view (and particularly that of the men around them) they would have been sinners trying to redeem themselves in the eyes of God. Therefore to a medieval woman Mary Magdalene would have been a much more relatable religious character to pray to.
    Good luck with the presentation guys.

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